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from the mouth of babes

Nick Gall: "in almost every important aspect, WS-* violates (or at best ignores) the architectural principles of the Web as described in the W3C's Architecture of the World Wide Web". That, from a Gartner VP.


January 26, 2007 06:42 PM

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Dan Creswell
(January 27, 2007 02:30 PM #)

Hi Bill, could you expand on this point a little? All Nick's statement really seems to say is WS-* is not the same as the Web - surely not a surprise? I personally think a more interesting aspect of Nick's scribbling is when he says "The large set of WS-* specifications is almost entirely focused on recreating traditional middleware capabilities using XML as the syntax for the formal message structure and the formal interface description" which simply says to me "there's nothing to see here!"

Bill de hOra
(January 27, 2007 02:56 PM #)

Hi Dan,

Technically it's no surprise. The surprise is that it's coming from a Gartner VP. The history of web adoption in enterprises isn't pretty and one reason for that is that many people have seen the web as entirely a toy compared to orthodox middleware and being simplistic rather than simple.

So Iit's not just that WS-* has nothing to do with the Web, but the perception that Web/Internet technology is technically inadequate for enterprises. If that perception is changing within key organizations like Gartner, that's huge. Certainly it would make my life a lot easier. Actually recognizing the web has a principled architecture is significant (eg I seem to recall Grady Booch thinking otherwise many years ago).

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